Finally, a communist supporter! I support only Marxism, though (True Communism). Stalin, Mao, and the other "Communists" only ruined the idea and ingrained it in our heads that Communism is bad.
Which it's not, it's just the implementation was horrible. Communism was supposed to be perfect anarchy - the absence of state because the workers themselves run the government. Instead, it turned into another totalitarian regime hell bent on exterminating non-compliant members. Damn shame it didn't turn out like it should have.
In fairness to Lenin, his intentions were pure. He used some extreme methods, but remember that he governed during an extreme time. His use of force was only as a result of the Russian Civil War combined with a mass famine he was having to deal with. He came very close to fixing it all and developing the true Marxist society he dreamed of. I admit a lot of his methods were harsh, but his intentions were pure. He believed in democratic Communism.
Communism and capitalism are just economic systems, one based on collective ownership the other on private accumulation. You could have authoritarian and libertarian manifestations of both. On a side note, I'd like to point out that I don't particular consider authoritarian 'communist' regimes to be communist whatsoever. In addition I would argue that there's something innately more democratic in collective ownership than in capitalism. Don't you find it surreal that whilst western countries may have semblances of political democracy (using semblance as clearly 'democracy' is a contestable concept with no authoritative definition) there's a massive deficit in economic democracy - á la the entire banking system et al et al et al.
As for the god-given part, we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I don't believe in a creator, you evidently do, no big deal. Let's not obscure the debate.
I think we have different opinions on what communism is. Let's just say that I disagree with any form of government that takes away rights; such as the right to form your own business. I'm not an anarchist, though.
Alright then. Just know that I'm up for a debate on that. Keyword: debate.
In theory, yes. But in reality, it never has, doesn't, and never will turn out that way. Anarchy is the true absence of government, and places like Somalia and Afghanistan show how successful that ideology is. XD
Communism is always taken by a stronger faction, and turns into a totalitarian government. It never fails.
I'm reading these comments and I've found another mistake. So sorry for the triple post. The KPD never start a fire in Reichstag. That was the most stupid story created by Nazis in Germany. Anyone can go in Berlin and tell this story, and all he will have in answer is a very loud laugh. (Maybe if you go to Friederichshain someone in black jaket can believe this). P.S. Very good artwork!
Another thing. Talk about how many people died because of "communism" just like as communism was a person with a gun. It's just pointless. Communism is just an ideology. People like Stalin or Mao Zedong were criminals that kill billions of people IN THE NAME OF communism, but that is NOT communism at all.
"The Jewish spirit must be exorcised". You can't take a quote without the rest of "On the Jewish Question". That "Jewish spirit" is just a metaphor to talk about the religion integration of Jewish people. Marx uses jewish (he was jewish by the way) to explain that when a State is offically christian, jewish people have problems in relationship with the institutions. But even if this State become atheist, the grass roots become not automatically atheist, so as Marx say the christian go to the christian baker, and the jewish go to the jewish baker. So the problem is not about political emancipation of religious people, because politically all jewish and christians are only citizens, but about human emancipation of all men! So only who leave religion behind can think about his REAL HUMAN emancipation.
I bet you havent even read the Communist Manifest? You are just buying into the lies the government started in the cold war, so you are a brainwashed tool...unless you have read the Manifesto and formed your own opinions (I highly doubt that, Tool)
"Brainwashed tool" Lol look who talking. Two things: One its the Communist Manifesto there's an o at the end and two I have read it. It was the worest piece of shit book I ever read. I wouldn't even use it for toilet paper. Summuery of the shitty book: Proletarian dictator who will get rid of the Bourgeois and create a world revolution. Proletarian dictator lives rich as fuck and everyone else livs in there collective gulag societies. Also look at the body count communism has caused, 100 million dead and still counting. Mao - 72 - 50 million Stalin - 50 - 30 million Pol Pot - 3 million Lenin - 1 million Castro - 1 million Another thing Karl Marx was anti-relious. All Communist states were hostiale toward religion. Karl Marx was also a racist who called thrid world countries as "racial trash." He also called for Germany to assimilate Germany's eastern neighbors. And yet somehow you think its a good book. : Your obviously a troll or 13 years old because there is no way you can take this stuff seriouly.
What has any of that to do with the Communist Manifesto? A proletarian dictatorship doesn't have a dictator per se, other than the working class as a whole. The proletariat is the overwhelming MAJORITY of society, which will get rid of the parasitic class at the top - the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie profits off the labour of our class, we don't need them! A proletarian dictatorship would dictate its demands to all the other classes in society, and run society in the interests of working people. There is no "dictator" involved; none of this has anything to do with the list of dictators you've mentioned.
Religion is separate to faith in gods because it is a distraction away from social reality. In this way it is reactionary, and can not possibly contribute to human progress.
If believing in a god makes you happy though, good for you! Perhaps there is a god, noone knows. Marxism certainly has nothing to say on the subject because it only analyses human social change.
Ah I see your ignorance, First- it was a simple typo, Second-You apparently didnt read it and understood it: there is no dictator, only the working class (it clearly states that the state would be the government and that the state is the working class.)Since every one gets the same income no one will live "rich as fuck", and no one would be poor either so they wouldnt live in "collective gulag societies"
As for the body count: Lenin-there was a revolution (there will be death in any revolution of that kind) Stalin- WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? only a dumb person would buy that stalin was leading a communist Russia, It was closer to a Fascism (Fascism-authoritarian hierarchical government) Communism has power in the workers not one leader or several leaders, the power is the workers. Stalin was in power and he had any one who he was suspicious of killed (seems alot like Fascism to me, not like a utopian ideal that communism strives for where every one is equal) Castro-Again he led a revolution but from my understanding He has employed strict Media control(not communism)the health care is horrid and not everyone is allowed it except the rich(communism strives for better health care that every one can have also there is no rich people in a pure communist country) Mao-again? he also led a revolution (strange that there is loss of life due to these revolutions?) Pol Pot-well he forced people to go work in the country sides at farms (seems sorta like hitler forcing people into concentration camps, again Fascism)
As for Marx being anti-religious (note I am not complaining about your typo) religion divides every person on earth. How many wars has an atheist country went in and slaughtered many people because they belive in god? what that you say? none? exactly! Atheists will not beat up some one for what they believe (but the christians did beat the shit out of the muslums in the Holy crusades claiming them heathens) As for all Communist states were hostile (again I do not blame you for a simple typo)I do not think this true, merely an over exaggeration of the fact that Karl Marx didnt like religion so others try to similate.
As for him being racist it was just his own views he didnt promote it like he did communism. If you care so much about racism to use it to demote communism then I think you should look into the past the U.S.A. where a person of a different color has had less rights than a white person untill recently.
As for him telling Germany to assimilate Germanys eastern neighbors was his opinion on what germany should do. If every country went on someone's opinion then the middle east would have been destroyed with nuclear war heads (because some people learn about the middle east through their vido games and have no knowledge about it what so ever.)
I think it is a good book because it proves the problems of capitalism (without capitalism there would be no poverty no people going hungry because they dont make enough to eat properly, ect.)
I admit it was wrong of me to acuse you of not reading it but many people don't read it and assume they know every thing about it and call it evil with out just cause. But it appears that you have been raised against communism, having every one tell you it is bad before reading it so you already have an expectation for it to be bad (it is a form of brain washing when every one pounds their thoughts and ideas into your head)
A troll? Good fellow Trolls don't exist and if you think they do I feel sorry for your parents having to put up with their insane child who thinks trolls are real...absurd.
13? you are funny I doubt a 13 year old even thinks about Political ideas. I do take this stuff seriously I have looked into several different political ideas and I think Communism the best. P.S. you did say two things in the start of your message, it seemed more than two arguments against Communism.
Lol at "What ateist country has ever started a war?". Let's start, shall we? Russian Federative Socialist Republic- War with Finland (1918-1919) Russian Federative Socialist Republic again, Attacking finland in the Winter War in 39, along with the Soviet Invasion of Poland. Atheist Soviet Organization, The Organization of The Militant Godless, a stalinist anti-religion aligned militia, burnt churches, harassed helpless orthodox christians, threatened the life of the Patriarch, beat, shot and otherwise hunted the religious simply for their belief. this can be understood as a War on Religion. Now on to communist organization who, without nation-status, have declared open war on actual nations. The FARC of Columbia, the Naxalites of India and Bangladesh, the Shining Path of Peru, the Viet-Cong, the Red Army (Who are responsible for some of the worst atrocities of any military organization in history, several times worse than the Nazis) the Irgun of Israel, the 26th of July Movement, Bolivarian Liberation Front, PRA-Argentina.
If you want more, oh the list goes on. Eventually blooshed completely nullifies the good a communist state (even a utopian one) would do. If communist movements have killed 800 million (and that's being a little generous, it's probably alot higher) then how can they justify a worker's movement after killing off the fucking workers? Hypocrites and dreamers.
And don't give me that "If they committed atrocities then they aren't communists" bullshit. The Crusades killed thousands, that doesn't mean Christians can claim the Templars weren't Christians.
Sorry I stand corrected (I have never heard of this before now). I am tired of arguing for arguing (I don't care,I just like some of the ideas of communism) and since it is appearent that both of you know more than what I know from just come across online. I will stop arguing (it is getting me nowhere). P.S. cool name
Stalin was deeply a follower of Marxism. He was one of the old bolsheviks during the revolution along side Lenin. Castro is one of the only two countries that still has state controlled planned economy. That is communism at its heart. So when a communist leads a revolution you kill millions upon millions of people till you get what you what. So moral!(sarcasm) You what to know what else sounds like Hitler? Assimilating Germany's eastern neighbors! (Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukraine, ect.) Marx made that quote even before National Socialism was even thought of. So there not communist because you said there not communist? Wow just wow. Oh and I forgot Kim Il-sung and son. My bad.
"Atheists will not beat up some one for what they believe" OMFG are your serious?! Did I not just go though the whole anti-religious thing? When a state promotes atheism and opresses a religion its called state atheism. Burning churches down, killing priests, ect. Atheist have killed more people then religous people. I don't go around saying all atheists sould die because I'm a moral person.
Learn your internet terms noob. Troll on the internet means your annoy/bug people. (Trolling)
One day there will be no more poor people because humanity has advanced itself to the point of wealth. But it will be because of capitalism not communism that will do it. Though capitalism we strive to better ourselfs. Thats the history of USA. Before we were racist, imperialist, and greedy but we strived to better ourself over our history. Amen.
Actually my dad and even my history teacher said that pure communist can work but only in your head. Thats exactly how I think. Communism only works in your head or on paper. It can never work in real life.
Please give me a good reply or I will not even bother replying.
First The definition of Fascism- a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. Now loook at Stalin and what he did, he had absolute power no one dared oppose him because he would kill them...that sounds more like Fascism than anything else.
As for the planned Economy in Cuba (I assure you Castro is not a country) If that is communism at heart than it is communism at heart but Cuba is among the most media controlled countries in the world which is not Communism so Cuba is a contridiction to itself so it isnt a communist country.
As for the revolution killing millions, war kills even you can't denie this. Lenin is the perfact example: First the Revolution, Then The civil war which lasted for six years and there was a famine killing 5 million people (the famine started due to the combined effect of the disruption of the agricultural production, which already started during WW1 and and continued through the disturbances of the Russian revolution and the Russian civil war), Communsim is not cause of these killings but capitalism creating problems for the lower classes. (If capitalism didnt make a shit load of problems for the lower classes than none of these revolutions would of started in the first place.)
Again if every one went with opinions the world would already destroy itself. If you take every thing people say to heart then take this to heart (from Leviticus) you couldn't kiss a girl on her period other wise you will be sent to hell,he said you cant eat: shrimp, hamburgers, pig, rabbit. he said u cant shave, wear polyester, eat vegetables from a garden, have tatoos or work on saturday or sunday,oah and he thought it was right for a rich man to beat and sacrafice poor people, this guy said all this stuff but it was his opinion and he didnt get slandered for it (oh ya we are talkin about communism arent we? so Karl Marx had his opinion and no one acted upon it so it really doesnt matter.)
They are not communist not because i say they arent common logic says so (something you seem to lack by telling me that Russia was Communist under Stalin)
Cummunism involves THE PEOPLE sharing the money, the many, not the few, kim ill-sung was the few, so he was not a communist because he was cruel and took alot of money from the people.
"Did I not just go though the whole anti-religious thing?" no all you said was "Another thing Karl Marx was anti-relious. All Communist states were hostiale toward religion." First of all how many wars because of Atheism? not many from my understanding. The KKK have burned chuches also and they are christian, They have killed black ministers, black children, ect.
As for me not being fluent in your 6th grade internet lingo, i am sorry but I prefer English that is widely known.
(for your third paragraph) we are sending our smartest students, not to medical school, not to science labs, but to the stock market where they actually work against our countries development rather than for it. In competition someone always looses, that is the idea behind capitalism. Free market=competition. how can we be equal and rich if someone is loosing? and, what country is he living in? because capitalism hasint exactly worked out here in the states
communism works, but it is easily corruptable if the government gets heavy in the mix. A libertarian communism would be able to function well. and eveyone has their own opinions, im shure u could find alot of history teachers who say it does work. History teachers arent gods, they have opinions and bias as well
I understand if you dont respond, after all you are fighting with a 15 year old and you are losing if you ask me.
You bore me. I'm not going to aruge any more because your all "capitalist propaganda" to your kind. This is getting no were real fast. You communists are such dumbasses. You will not accept any view other then your own. You suck, you need to get a life, and need to stop worshiping Karl Marx. Ok I'm done.